I agree with you

no i did not copy u i just reuploaded it i have other 1s like it in my gallery
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Agreed! I'm researching elephants, and was reading about how we should protect them and I thought "why not the unborn babies" problem is we're livin' in the tree huggin' generation :(

whoa whoa i wouldnt go that far :/

At first I actually thought this said "unicorn babies." XP I don't know where my mind goes sometimes. Anyway! :D I'm actually one of those few people who actually remembers everything, even back to bits of being in the womb because I developed the kind of self awareness as a small child that most people don't develop until puberty. Also, my mom was put up for adoption because her biological mom knew she couldn't properly raise another child. Some people might argue that it would be better to not have been born. Given that I wouldn't be here had my mom not been born, I'm obviously biased, but, besides that, my grandparents couldn't have children of their own, so being able to adopt my mom into their home was a positive experience for them. But, that being said, I want to be clear that I am completely against anyone who would plant a bomb or ki.ll a doctor or anything like that. Even if you believe something is justified because you believe you are fighting evil, "never repay evil with evil."

"At midnight the lord struck down all the first-born of Egypt..." Exodus 12:29 "Whoever is captured in Babylon will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed before their eyes..." Isaiah thirteen:fifteen-sixteen. "O daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us - he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Psalms one-thirtyseven: eight-nine

those are breeds that are becoming extinct or are rare (aside from trees which people shouldn't bother to protect since we need wood) so protecting them only makes sense. yet there are hundreds of thousands of babies born EVERY DAY. aborting a few babies is no where near bad and if anything it's good because we are over populating the planet. it shouldn't be a religious nutjobs' (assuming that is your reason for your opinion) choice to decide whether a mother doesn't want her UNBORN and UNCONCIOUS fetus. i personally think it's a better idea to have the baby and put it up for adoption (unless there's some defect, in that case, abortion).

just my two cents.

and if you can't even take the time to spell properly, you probably don't have the right to an opinion on this matter and are either too lazy to type everything out or are too stupid.

violence rules!!!

well...im against abortions but i think they shuld be legal, so im not sure which side im on, i know, it's weird, i can't explain it :S

i guess i support....

i DEFINITELY dont disagree but i dont know if i agree, cuz i personally dont like the mur.der of babies(or ANYTHING), but.....yah....

i agree with hyperspider

hey jordan thanks for the coment on my page and i completly agree with you pepole have no right to ki.ll there kids no mater what the reson saying you want an abortion is asking somone to mur.der your kids and no im not a christian i just know the difrence betwen right and wrong.

I wish I could speak english properly so I can say all I want without being on the bad side of this... uwu

-_-

Many parents have this view of THEIR children, even long after they're born, as some pets. They tell them what to do, give them no privacy and treat them in ways that would have them arrested were they neighbors instead. They don't see them as they are, as separate people with a free will of their own. So, unless that way of thinking suddenly changes, I doubt abortion will be outlawed. Also, consciousness develops in the womb (albeit after most abortions are performed).

Sorry Jordan, just realized you were asking for likes to support, not comments.

I for a fact HATE abortion. when I was born, i almost died 'cause my mom's cord thingy was around my neck, but here i am abortion SHOULD be against the law. it's easy to say it's ok when it isn't you they abort, but i almost did. and there are serious consequences for abortion. heres one... women who do that sometimes wake up crying because they think they hear their baby crying... and every time they see a baby they are forced to remember their crime of abortion. I think it would be better to let some other family to adopt it instead of abortion.....

Wasnt asking for likes bro. Just wanted it to get on trending so others could help me Support R!R. :D

Oh and Not TOTALY true RR. 3 Days after Conseption a Heart beat starts and abortions are usualy done after 3 weeks. Your body can feel pain b4 that so when they rip that baby apart with super hot needles(AKA an Abortion) it feels everything and then goes to heaven wondering why its mommy didnt want it... :[

i've decided to take ur side, since that's what im more leaned to, i think it shuld be illegal

Better than kiIling it dude... -.- I think i'd rather live ANY life at all than get torn apart piece by piece...

i think abortion is completly wrong you cant ki.ll your 12 year old so why is it difrent but i will say that jordans coment about the hart beat makes no sence the brain lets you feel pain but brain activity does start before most abortions so it can feel it i think youd get your point across beter if you didnt involve religion and notice all the pepole who are ok with it are girls and the guys who hate kids abortion makes you selfesh and a horrible person over all

My heartbeat comment meant that it proves its a living being and u are also correct. The majority of people who want them legal are Selfish females who really deserve death themselves. ):l

I have no idea why people think fighting is the answer... (TO EVERYTHING!) But I for one think abortion is wrong... those children have purposes on this earth and if people ki.ll them before the can do whatever it is that's sad! :'( I might sound stupid but I cry whenever an ant dies... so imagine how I feel when people take a babys life... :(

The only reason abortion might be remotely "good" is that the baby will go to heaven because he wasn't old enough at all to understand salvation cause if that baby was born into a muslim family or such they would pass away not knowing salvation and go into eternal torment.... but an abortion takes that baby to heaven that baby would live in heaven... btw IF YOU TRY TO USE THIS AS AN EXUSE YOUR VERY WRONG!!!

Humans need to live and have a chance. Mur.der is NOT the answer.

And Obama wants to ban guns to "protect" children.
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Richard777, I couldn't have said it better myself. (except it's 'you're' not 'your'.)

there is no good resone for death unless you chose it your self.

yes becuse if those pepole were geting abortions they were murd.erers who deserved it and even without that fact yes becuse the baby has a longer life to live.

Too "Jordan"

Hooah!

And to all who support "Abortian":

All of your arguments don't matter, for if you had it your way you would be d.ead and they wouldn't exist.

: )

Ceebz, to be fair, just because someone is in favor of abortion being legal does not mean that they want to abort averyone.

Also, does anyone have a response to polymer's point that women, those who can become pregnant, have more of a say in the debate than men, who can't become pregnant? It's easy to let it become a boys club where women have no say, but what if women have the only say? Or does anyone believe all women are in favor of abortion? Of course, being a gay male, I guess I should have no say. :P Still, once I get a chance, I'd like to present facts to moderate the issue. If you'd rather I not, just let me know, Jordan.

Alright, we all know m.urder is wrong, do you consider abortian as m.urder? If you don't why?

And I know my comment was a little unreasonable, but what if everyone was that way? Now it seems outlandish, but it could hypotheticaly happen.

I ''Fetus'' is a Human Baby and we have SOULS. If it was up to people like you Polymer Humanity would be a bunch of sick savages but there are people who care. Notice the difference- Christians: Support and love the lives of others and dont mur.der babies.
Atheists: Dont care and think that it doesnt matter cuz u worship youself.
See the difference? :/

HaHaHa You dont even know guys! 75Percent of Human Males Disagree with abortion and label it murde.r. And yes i dont think Women should have a right to kilI babies. You say its a medical procedure but so would be ''Putting a Human to sleep'' Its the same principle. And are you a baby, have you ever had molten hot needles ripping you to shreads? Science doesnt feel. IDC how it ''says'' they cant feel if it kiIls the child. Yes if it was life or death i think the mother should give her life for the baby. The Greatest Love of all is to give your life for someone else. You can NEVER change the fact that that ''Fetus'' as you say is a human baby. My dads in Afghanistan and if one of those people had an abortion the mother would be stoned and so would anyone who talked her into it. THATS HOW AMERICA SHOULD BE!

^Says the person Cursing^ Ok 1st off when i said America needs to be like that i meant there needs to be a punishment for mur.der. 2nd off Guys cant get pregnant but women can so if a women gets pregnant thats her choice(in the case of rap.e put the baby up for adoption). Se.x is NOT something that happens by accident. I want you and every ''Pro-Choice'' person to do this. Look up Aborted Baby pics and if you can tell me that looks like ''a bunch of tissue/cells'' and not humanoid then something must be wrong with you. As a Christian i stick up for life but Jesus gave up his life for us so how about give EVERY LIFE A CHANCE EVEN IF ITS A FEW DAYS! MILLIONS OF BABIES ARE KiIled EACH YEAR CUZ OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TOO STUPID TO SEE THE REALITY OF SIN! In the end its the unsaved who lose. I cant wait for that day...

Haha Gay people CANT have a Blood Child of their own. In ur case u HAVE to have a dude involved. And I would rather die myself than stab a baby to death!

Hey polymer/loser take a hike u freak. what if your parents believed in abortion u wouldn't be around. u say they won't feel
pain just u try it.
Douglas

You would still have a human SOUL is our point. Not now but if u did get aborted you'd be in heaven wondering why ur mother was too selfish to keep u.

lol do you even know why they protect rainforests whales trees and bald eagles

also i like how you would protect unborn babies but not gay people because spreading hate and being judgemental is exactly what god wanted.

also as a christian i would just like to say that your words arent very loving or caring. theyre hateful and negative and i cant believe there are people like this who worship the man who told us to love thy neighbor. to not judge others. and that sins can be forgiven if you love and accept jesus.

so in turn no va.gina no f.ucking opinion keep calling females selfish while you keep doing the exact opposite of what god really wanted

thank u

I can't really say, i mean abortion (i think) isn't to bad if its done in 20 weeks or less, because after that, the baby can start to feel & think therefore it would go through alot of pain, but if you do it before-hand... Hm. Idk. I'm a guy soo lol

If the discussion's over, I'll move on. If not, I have both facts and opinions to add. Sadly, the two aren't necessarily in agreement. But, yeah, not being able to become pregnant, I dout it matters.

Rogue Ranger knows i dont hate gays. I pity them. Also i NEVER said i hate them ALL i said was i disagree how is that saying i hate them. :[ Hate the Sin NOT THE PERSON.

Jordan and I have had many things we disagree on. In fact, we probably have even more we don't agree on than we know, so why aren't we at each other's throats? Have we simply agreed to disagree? Nope. It's that disagreements aren't the real reason for fights. After all, no two people, no matter how similar, can agree on everything. People have minds of their own. It's actually a lack of understanding someone else's perspective. For example, if someone can't even see me as a person, it'd be easy to hate me, but if they at least understand me even if they disagree, that hatred has no fuel. Hatred comes from fear and fear from misunderstanding. The unknown causes confusion, confusion causes fear and frustration, frustration leads to anger and hatred. It's how I was able to avoid hating those who beat me in my childhood. I tried to understand them, how they thought, what was the real root of their feelings. It's like with some of these comments. One side thinks the other wants to ki.ll all children and the other side thinks they want women to have no rights and don't care if they live or die. Basically, they see the other as inhuman. But let's at least try to understand each other.

Here's an exercise: You believe that someone will be tor.tured for all eternity if they don't change. Others around you think this is a silly notion, but does that make you evil for trying to prevent something that may or may not be real? Or this: Someone tells you that Zeus says that you need to follow the book the Oddesy or a dragon will eat you. You think it's silly, but only because it's not widely believed. If millions of people believed it, you couldn't laugh it off as easily, could you? No, if that many people believed it, it would scare you I bet.

You sound like a Jedi RR XD. Anyway my religion has Proof Unlike Roman/Greek Mythology. Evolution is a THEORY but Christianity is based off true events. Its just the fact that current day people werent around to see it Which makes it hard to believe. Putting my view on Abortion so bluntly though wasnt correct. I care but think God should have a right besides humans which are flawed creations. You are my friend becuz like you said we understand one another but i disagree with your choice but you do understand one simple truth about Gayness. Its a Choice not an inherit. Thats were you succeed. Unlike most Un-Believers you listen to me and allow me to show you Christ through me... We are good friends now becuz of it correct? :] But if you notice most Hom.ose.xuals are NOT kind hearted but act vile and bully like. I dont mean all but i have told you why i feel this is so. The fact of the matter is i didnt start this fight with Polymer infact i just want her to leave me alone. I dont agree with her beliefs but if u notice i didnt start war in her painting let alone intend to insult her here. But she's called me dir.ty curse word names yet all i want her to do is mind her own bussiness. :[ See im not evil or Stupid. i just try to be wise in judgement. Even God/Jesus gets angry.

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to the dark side!" Yes, I definitely see now that I probably stole that from Star Wars. :P And I was specifically trying to diffuse things by showing how even understanding the most extreme misperceptions about someone's beliefs can help prevent...a path to the dark side. Also, it's sometimes best to see opinions as something separate from the person, so that people don't get tied up in saying things like, "You're wrong." A person is not necessarily what they believe. After all, someone can change their mind but still be the same person. Speaking of change, so that no one is confused, Jordan is referring to the Biblical view of hom.ose.xuality as an act rather than how it is seen today, as a natural state of being. In that way, he sees a conscious action as a conscious choice. It's like how he says on his profile that he'd rather stay single and worship God. That is a choice and so really he's not asking anyone to do anything he's not willing to do himself (stay single and worship God).

Amen Buddy. ^FT^

ok the things i have to say about not being a woman it doesnt matter their not the baby that wont even get a chance to live there own life becuse there heartless mother mur.dered them and jordan where do you get off insulting athiests im an athiest and i value human life ive never kil.led anyone in my life but christians have kil.led more pepole than any group in history so shut your mouth!

and you forgot hate. fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side i love star wars.

^Im not insulting Atheist dude. I meant people like Polymer. You actualy understand my point. And Polymer you started this why dont you just drop it. :[

Also Christians are Humans. And we have NOT kilIed more people in history! My dad lost alot of his friends in Afghanistan due to that religious group over there sui.cide bombing. Plus Christians did not exist til after Jesus died so dont say that. :/ And i didnt mean to insult atheist. Ok im done with this debate. Im not reading anymore comments made by Polymer or if they look like insults in the 1st sentence.

but in the time christians have ben here the have murd.ered and tort.ured thousands of pepole during the dark ages of religius supresion they caused the crusedes they have slowed scientific advance and invented most of the worlds tor.ture devices i have no problem with religion just christianity

Actualy most of that was catholics. And i dont know who caused those wars but they were not True Christians...

im saying that whole catagory you all belive basicly the same thing.

it was the the church itself that started the wars not one person the only one the muslims started was the second and that was just to take back there city

Well that was in the past. As Christians We are suppose to avoid V.iole.ce so yea you know... :/

^I dont agree with that theory. Sorry man. But i've dropped da topic so all the arguments are over now.

Well i'm not trying to fight or anything, and i'm not trying to say I fully agree or disagree with abortion, but if you kinda think about it, the kind of parent that would choose abortion probably wouldn't be great for the baby anyway, i mean the parent could be physically or mentaly abusive, to the point that not being born could be better for the child, ypu know to like stop worse things from happening. I'm not saying abortion is good OR bad, but it is a choice, and I don't think women should be stoned to death for it. From what I know most mothers love their babies and if they chose abortion there might have been a good reason for it, but I do know that somtimes its done irresponsibly and thats when its mostly wrong I believe, but like I said its a choice

jordan, im a christian, and a girl. and i know the conversation is old, but i agree that a.bortion shouldnt be legal. why wouldnt i? i mean, like i stubbled upon this picture on fb walking one through an a.bortion and the pictures were so nasty i started crying. it showed the baby being removed and under that a caption that said "the baby's head is then crushed and suctioned out. i was against it ever since. and recently i learned of this lady who got k.illed because when she a.borted her baby some of the junk escaped into her system and k.illed her. the reason for aborting her baby? because when she was gunna be born she might've ended up with a heart condition. my point is simply nothing but i don't like the idea of abortions.

Personally, I don't like abortion, but that doesn't mean I'm against it. What if you got rapped and you got pregnant? I'd personally abort the baby. Also, it seems perfectly fine for people to get organ replacements, so why the heck is everyone thinking abortion is bad? Heck, if anything, couples could have a miscarrige and things about not protecting their baby could trigger them!
TL;DR: Abortion is only bad because people are making molehills into Mountians.

wtf am i reading

*ehem* Carenet FTW

I honestly beleive abortion should only happen when you got ra.ped, your under 20, or there's a HUGE risk your baby could have problems. We also protect nature stuff, because it's dying. Humans are overpopulated. Also, I'm not trying to insult christians, but I don't believe in that wack stuff. You guys do TONS of sins like eating certain things, or whatever else, but your STILL against gays? I mean, seriously. Just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean it's a sin.

Excuse me? Christianity has proof? Funny..

And technically Abortion isn't Mur.der because It's against a fetus.

(Please do not take this as me being rude, I'm just stating my opinions.)
Personally, I am an Athiest, so I don't see much proof in the whole "'God' created the world" kind of thing. I cannot see hoe some guy would be randomly floating around in space going "I'm bored..Well, time to make imperfect, stupid creatures," then poofing us out of thin air.
As for abortion, I believe that it should stay legalized. Although, it should only happen if your baby has a high risk of having some kind of birth defect, disease, etc. that would only hurt it in the long run. Or, if the pregnant women had been ra.ped. If you can't take care of your child, there are Adoption Agencies..

On the matter of being hom.ose.xual, bise.xual, etc., it's not a choice, you're simply born that way. Who cares if you like the same/both genders? It doesn't make you some kind of freak. People shouldn't be teased, tormented and pitied because of who they love.

*see some, not see hoe

If that was directed at me, Yeah. That's pretty much the long version of what I said.

^Your not born a Hom.ose.xual. I chose the person i like. Theres a former Hom.ose.xual at my church that told me 1st hom.ose.xuality is a choice. She said it blinds you until you come to realize the truth. But putting Christianity that way is very blunt and incorrect. Shells on mountains, and Noah's Ark has been found. As for eating sinfull stuff, Jesus took that law away, As for ANY excuse for abortion, i dont agree that way i believe have it then give it up for adoption, Also these are my choices, every human has a right to their own opinion.

You are most definitely born Ho.mose.xual. You CANNOT say "I don't wanna be gay anymore" and then stop liking same-se.x. Also, for your alleged friend who just stopped being lesb.ian, she's lying to get "god points" with your religious figure. She also stated that Ho.mose.xuality blinds you. Full on Bull-****. As for "Noah's ark" all it was was a Big-As.s boat. The shells in the mountain, Look up "Super-position theory" there ya go.

^The "boat" was on the exact Mountain that the Bible says it landed on. It was Frozen. And who said my the Former Hom.ose.xual was a believer? Plus i know ALOT of Former Gay people becuz EVERY THING YOU DO IS A CHOICE! ITS CALLED FREE WILL. HUMANS CHOSE THEIR OWN DESTINY AND PATHS. Human attraction for se.xual perposes are a waste of time to me becuz i chose that. Its like who you chose to date thats a choice. Gay people use the "Oh I was born gay" as an excuse cuz the only logical explenation is they chose that and often its for attention. Look at Bi people for example they are chosing which gender they think they love. See? a Choice. Life is all about choices. You can say anything you want about the matter becuz humans are stubborn. Thats life deal with it. Im not trying to offend ANYONE but thats how i look at things. You may look at them differently but thats YOUR CHOICE. Im best friends with Rogue Ranger and he even says Gays can change its a choice. Im praying for him just like im praying for all...

1. You just disproved god with that "we choose everything" remark.
2. I suppose we chose to be conceived? I suppose we chose to be born?
3. being born with specific traits and saying so is NOT an excuse.
4. I know Rogue a LOT better than you, and he told me, very clearly, "I was born gay."
5. The mountain that the not-ark was on could not have been the same mountain because earth is constantly shifting.

6. Mountaintops are extremely cold. that's why it was frozen.

Extra. Free will is not control over everything about you ever. If it was, You would be able to cure all your ailments, grow and shrink your hair at will, etc, etc.

^Ahh dude your parents chose when you are concieved and born. God is the creator but its simple science that se.xual contact equals baby. And dude i send Rogue stuff everyday in swapnote and i have talked to him about that being a choice and he agrees. Ok tell me this- If your born gay how come you dont start being that way til ur hormones kick in? If your born gay you would start being that way the moment ur born hence what you just said. I was not born strait or a Christian. I chose the decisions that i feel are correct. Am i saying i hate other people that are not saved or not strait? NO! I love everyone for the human God made us to be. I hate the sin though and hom.ose.xuality is infact a sin. Agreeing with hom.ose.xuality means you agree with beastiality too which is beyond stupid but some humans do it. Saying your born gay states that everyone is born what they will do in their life. Ur theory states that everyone is born how they will be later rather it be strait, a hom.ose.xual, a canoble, a mur.derer, a pros.titute, a luciferianist, a dictator, ect. That is what your saying and if you say "but some of those are choices" then you disprove your theory. Im not fighting at all but i do think its important to share what we believe even if its in disagreement. PS- You cannot tell me that a boat the EXACT size, shape, material, and location is not proof of The Ark of Noah.

You have given enough evidence for every argument, except the noah's ark. We'll drop everything but that.

The boat that was found on the mountain could not have been the same, material-wise, seeing as gopherwood DOESN'T EXIST! it appears once, in the bible, in everything! Never again, ever, was it mentioned in literature again, And it isn't actually real. And, there couldn't have been a flood, fourty percent of animal life, including humans, because, not like "Noah" wanted, not all animals get together, and there could not have been enough food if there was a flood (no plants) and every species had to be preserved (no meat).

^Gopherwood i've studied was probably a different name for another type of wood. And i spent 3 months studying this topic last year. God was in charge of the animals actions at that time so he put the animals on the ark then made them wait til the flood was over to breed again. And you may be correct about the "not all animals get together". That would explain why certain animals are extinct. And the ark is Frozen so it cant decay. The Great Flood would also explain land formations as that event was NOT just rain. It was Earthquake, Fissures, Lava Fountains underwater you name it. Crystals like diamonds would form hyper quick under those extreme conditions. Think about it. The predicted amount of water was 1 mile over Mt.Everest so with all that water pressure Petrification occured rapidly. And Sea Animals flourished. Noah also did collect food for the animals. And Fish probably were the Meat Eaters food.

^Also ethan thnx for not noobing me like most others do about my beliefs. Most people just call me stuff like $#!* and &*#!#. So thank you for listening and at least hearing me out.

Np. But really, all that is nagging at my mind (really good rebuttle btw) is the fact that you called saying being born gay is an excuse.

^I mean debates shouldnt cause VioIence or Cyber Bullying its just a simple discusion of beliefs which is perfectly fine.

None of what you said actually makes sense, mind you, readers of this debate

Ok, here: When you can prove god/jesus exists and that the bible is one hundred percent factually correct (and not like "it just is") then I will take your (totally and utterly bs) opinions with a grain of salt