Ohh, okay. Day vanished again, which means she might have gone to bed. xP I'm able to stay a little while longer, so I'll wait with you to see if she returns.
Awesome, alright. So I'm thinking that, since colors express different emotions, each powder could leave a spell that reflects the emotion of its color. For example, red is often acquainted with anger, so the red powder could summon fire cause an explosion.
What colors have you chosen, and what emotions do you see them with? (I ask for your opinion so that things fit according to how you like it)
Yeah, that'll be good. One way that I like to make sure a character's powers are toned down is to keep their range of abilities under one element or concept. For example, since Riptide is basically a ghost, you could base each powder's effect on that concept. Maybe one powder summons an ethereal substance that obscures an opponent's senses to allow Riptide a quick getaway. Things like that.
Ooh, that would be interesting. However, in roleplays, I feel like it's a bad idea to have abilities that affect another character's health in ways like sickness (sometimes even poison). I know I would prefer it if my opponent had fire or a sword over venom, since cuts on my character are easier to fix.
That sounds cool. :O I was also thinking that the other bottles could do things like temporally change his shape so he could blend with the environment. E.i he's in a town and he changes into a human.
Yeah, I like those colors. If you want, I could give an ability suggestion for each color, although it'd help if you tell me what theme(s) or element(s) you want to base them off of.
Oh, that'd be cool. For that idea I'm thinking an illusion instead of an actual physical change would be safer, or it's a very temporary shift. By having too wide a variety of powers, your character becomes OP which nobody likes.
Another thing so that I'm not spamming these and to make it fair each bottle will only have a few uses until the substance is gone. And it would take awhile until it replenishes, like a month or a week.
Ok so mustard gas works like this -It can stick around for few hours or maybe a few days. -the longer you are exposed to it the more severe the effects are -When exposed your eyes, skin digestive and respiratory system are effected
Neato. The only downside about having abilities very relative to science is that (and I've learned this the hard way,) nobody else is going to understand what it does. When you use an ability that takes an amount of scientific knowledge to understand, others will react in a way that they shouldn't and suddenly everything goes wrong for you. Just a little warning if you choose to do the mustard gas.
But in his information ref I'll go over what each jar does and they're ups and downs Like with mustard gas Riptide could also hurt himself and his friends with it so I would have to be more careful with that
Yeah, I like doing that too. Although a character I adopted from Kjumper ( #FGVarun) has only the element of water, I expanded his abilities as far as they could by following the flexibility of the chemical properties of water. However, if you're going to have a power that has specific side effects, you'll have to tell exactly what it does or people will get lost and start breaking rules.
Red: Commonly associated with rage and aggression. Because of this, I could see the red powder as a last-resort kind of weapon, so it would typically be the most powerful out of them all. My first thought is triggering explosions.
Green: Gives a very stable, natural feel. It is very common to be associated with nature, but for the sake of not being OP, I'll avoid that. I could definitely see the green powder creating poisonous gas, but that's so similar to the mustard gas that one or the other would have to change. I'll have to think more about this one, unless you have suggestions.
Purple: Carries with it a very mysterious, dangerous aura. For that reason, the purple powder would be great for creating illusions such as turning Riptide into a human. It would only be a trick on the eyes (otherwise he'd be too OP), but it would fool enemies for whatever purpose he has.
Yeah not everyone interested in chem. :/ The reason why I added these is so that next time some tries to overpower they're chara to the point where close combat doesn't work like at all. (E.i It did nothing to the crooked moth) Though there will be places where he can't use his jars at all. Like if he was put in a cage and it was magic so his ghosty jar didn't work
I also want to turn riptide into a human for haha because he hates them, and would make him more insane? Like he might consider to take his own life though idk. Your right I do have to pick and choose, -he can't have everything
Yeah, I get that. And you know, if somebody is breaking the rules by being OP, and they don't stop when you tell them, then you have all right to go OP back at them. XD
If you think that's best then alright.
Also, I hate to say it, but it's really late here and I gotta get up early, so I need to leave now. I won't be back until the evening, but I'll read up whatever I miss here once I return.
If you don't want to risk being OP in the roleplay, then making his human form non-canon would be best. I'm very curious to see what he'll look like. XD
Hi! I'm not home yet (I'm on my sister's phone), so I'll probably disappear soon but then be back half an hour later. Should we contact Day once more to make sure she remembers to come?
I say to myself every time it happens, yes it's miserable, yes I could live without it, I either let it effect my life or I don't. Why would I let it keep me from having fun?
I feel like even though we bare this burden, God will help us get through it. :D It's a test, besides you'll stop having them when you're old enough. :0
@Day I was telling Fade it'd be cool if Riptide had a human form but we both agreed it might be too op. So I'm thinking of drawing him a non-cannon human form?Would you like to see it?
Maybe the dust can be used for creating a mist that obscures an opponent's senses so that they can't smell or see him? I might have already proposed that idea, so sorry if I did
I think what I'll do is make him a human form (because he hates them) And leave it up to another rp member if they want to turn him into one by using magic idk :/
Comments
15 Dec, 2016, 6:08 am
Ayyy, it's Riptide!! This picture looks great, I love the pose, coloration, and fur texture. <3
31 Jan, 2017, 3:29 am
Ok @Day If you see this I'm at dinner so brb
31 Jan, 2017, 3:33 am
k
31 Jan, 2017, 3:55 am
Back :D
31 Jan, 2017, 4:03 am
wb!
31 Jan, 2017, 4:06 am
So hru?
31 Jan, 2017, 4:16 am
@Day?
31 Jan, 2017, 4:16 am
D:
31 Jan, 2017, 4:29 am
Sorry i fainted u_u
31 Jan, 2017, 4:30 am
Oh I'm glad you're ok though. :O
31 Jan, 2017, 4:31 am
I invited @Fade but I don't know if she'll come. :/
31 Jan, 2017, 4:34 am
Ok so I kind of want your help. :I
31 Jan, 2017, 4:46 am
Oh no did you leave again! D:
31 Jan, 2017, 4:46 am
I'm alone :'(
31 Jan, 2017, 4:58 am
Ok...
Maybe we'll talk tomorrow around 6:00pm ET
31 Jan, 2017, 5:04 am
So sorry. My mom had me get ready for bed -_- hope you are still here...
31 Jan, 2017, 5:06 am
Yo! What's up? ^w^
31 Jan, 2017, 5:07 am
Ahh, looks like I just missed Alk... Sorry. >~<
31 Jan, 2017, 5:08 am
Yeh...
31 Jan, 2017, 5:10 am
Shoot the moment I leave everyone comes. :/
31 Jan, 2017, 5:15 am
And when I come everyone leaves
31 Jan, 2017, 5:15 am
WHYYY! T-T
31 Jan, 2017, 5:16 am
I'm sorry! Dx
31 Jan, 2017, 5:16 am
Kinda funny at the same time, that coincidence... 'xD
31 Jan, 2017, 5:18 am
Lol and now you left on me XD
31 Jan, 2017, 5:21 am
Nope
31 Jan, 2017, 5:21 am
Nope
31 Jan, 2017, 5:22 am
I'll
Go get my pc now
31 Jan, 2017, 5:22 am
Hey! Sorry for online comments. xP
31 Jan, 2017, 5:23 am
No I'm just on my phone:P
31 Jan, 2017, 5:23 am
And it's annoying to type on a small screen
31 Jan, 2017, 5:24 am
We needs Day. D:
31 Jan, 2017, 5:25 am
Ohh, okay. Day vanished again, which means she might have gone to bed. xP I'm able to stay a little while longer, so I'll wait with you to see if she returns.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:26 am
Ta da!
31 Jan, 2017, 5:26 am
I'm on my pc now :P
31 Jan, 2017, 5:27 am
*applauds* XD
31 Jan, 2017, 5:28 am
Btw I wanted to ask day this too but she's gone so I'll ask her tomorrow but
31 Jan, 2017, 5:29 am
What do you think the other colored pouches should do?
(The ones I gave riptide)
31 Jan, 2017, 5:29 am
You can leave the comment now and she can reply once she sees it. Just a suggestion, we can wait if you'd rather.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:30 am
I'll try that :O
31 Jan, 2017, 5:34 am
@Fade?
31 Jan, 2017, 5:34 am
Oh sorry I missed your comment!
31 Jan, 2017, 5:36 am
Hmm, so the blue one turns him into a ghost, right? ... How many pouch colors does he have?
31 Jan, 2017, 5:39 am
Yeah the blue one does.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:39 am
And I'm thinking around five?
31 Jan, 2017, 5:40 am
I haven't done any concept art yet :U
31 Jan, 2017, 5:41 am
I also want to nerf them a little so they're not too overpowered
31 Jan, 2017, 5:42 am
Awesome, alright. So I'm thinking that, since colors express different emotions, each powder could leave a spell that reflects the emotion of its color.
For example, red is often acquainted with anger, so the red powder could summon fire cause an explosion.
What colors have you chosen, and what emotions do you see them with? (I ask for your opinion so that things fit according to how you like it)
31 Jan, 2017, 5:44 am
I was thinking like red yellow green blue and purple maybe?
What do you think?
31 Jan, 2017, 5:45 am
Oops, meant *summon fire or cause and explosion* up there
31 Jan, 2017, 5:45 am
Like the yellow could be mustard gas?
31 Jan, 2017, 5:46 am
Yeah, that'll be good. One way that I like to make sure a character's powers are toned down is to keep their range of abilities under one element or concept. For example, since Riptide is basically a ghost, you could base each powder's effect on that concept. Maybe one powder summons an ethereal substance that obscures an opponent's senses to allow Riptide a quick getaway. Things like that.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:47 am
@Fade watch out for the word police - in fact I'm hiding from them. O~O"
31 Jan, 2017, 5:49 am
Ooh, that would be interesting. However, in roleplays, I feel like it's a bad idea to have abilities that affect another character's health in ways like sickness (sometimes even poison). I know I would prefer it if my opponent had fire or a sword over venom, since cuts on my character are easier to fix.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:50 am
Lol, the word police? XD
31 Jan, 2017, 5:51 am
That sounds cool. :O
I was also thinking that the other bottles could do things like temporally change his shape so he could blend with the environment. E.i he's in a town and he changes into a human.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:51 am
Yeah, I like those colors. If you want, I could give an ability suggestion for each color, although it'd help if you tell me what theme(s) or element(s) you want to base them off of.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:53 am
Oh, that'd be cool. For that idea I'm thinking an illusion instead of an actual physical change would be safer, or it's a very temporary shift. By having too wide a variety of powers, your character becomes OP which nobody likes.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:54 am
Another thing so that I'm not spamming these and to make it fair each bottle will only have a few uses until the substance is gone. And it would take awhile until it replenishes, like a month or a week.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:55 am
That's definitely a good way to keep his powers under control, I like that.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:55 am
Like he'll use them in extreme emergencies
31 Jan, 2017, 5:56 am
I was thinking each effect will only last about an hour maybe even longer. :/
31 Jan, 2017, 5:57 am
Riptide you too op must neeerf!
31 Jan, 2017, 5:58 am
Mostly in fight I think I'll stick to close combat
31 Jan, 2017, 5:58 am
Oh, so the effect that he leaves like mustard gas will only last for a little bit? I think that'd be okay then.
31 Jan, 2017, 5:59 am
Yeah let me actually look up how long it goes on for.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:00 am
Alright, so I'm going to list out what we have so far:
Blue: Turns Riptide into a ghost
Yellow: Produces mustard gas
And then we have red, green, and purple. Do you want me to give suggestions for the remaining colors?
31 Jan, 2017, 6:05 am
Ok so mustard gas works like this
-It can stick around for few hours or maybe a few days.
-the longer you are exposed to it the more severe the effects are
-When exposed your eyes, skin digestive and respiratory system are effected
http://science.howstuffworks.com/mustard-gas3.htm
31 Jan, 2017, 6:06 am
Yes please! :D
31 Jan, 2017, 6:09 am
Neato. The only downside about having abilities very relative to science is that (and I've learned this the hard way,) nobody else is going to understand what it does. When you use an ability that takes an amount of scientific knowledge to understand, others will react in a way that they shouldn't and suddenly everything goes wrong for you. Just a little warning if you choose to do the mustard gas.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:09 am
Alright then, I'll write a thing of. It might take a few minutes.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:09 am
*out
31 Jan, 2017, 6:10 am
Man I should know more about this science stuff I'm taking friggen chem :Y
31 Jan, 2017, 6:12 am
Yeah I know but I get more excited when my ocs are more realistic to real life things
31 Jan, 2017, 6:14 am
But in his information ref I'll go over what each jar does and they're ups and downs
Like with mustard gas Riptide could also hurt himself and his friends with it so I would have to be more careful with that
31 Jan, 2017, 6:17 am
(Still typing for the color abilities)
Yeah, I like doing that too. Although a character I adopted from Kjumper ( #FGVarun) has only the element of water, I expanded his abilities as far as they could by following the flexibility of the chemical properties of water. However, if you're going to have a power that has specific side effects, you'll have to tell exactly what it does or people will get lost and start breaking rules.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:24 am
Red: Commonly associated with rage and aggression. Because of this, I could see the red powder as a last-resort kind of weapon, so it would typically be the most powerful out of them all. My first thought is triggering explosions.
Green: Gives a very stable, natural feel. It is very common to be associated with nature, but for the sake of not being OP, I'll avoid that. I could definitely see the green powder creating poisonous gas, but that's so similar to the mustard gas that one or the other would have to change. I'll have to think more about this one, unless you have suggestions.
Purple: Carries with it a very mysterious, dangerous aura. For that reason, the purple powder would be great for creating illusions such as turning Riptide into a human. It would only be a trick on the eyes (otherwise he'd be too OP), but it would fool enemies for whatever purpose he has.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:26 am
Yeah not everyone interested in chem. :/
The reason why I added these is so that next time some tries to overpower they're chara to the point where close combat doesn't work like at all. (E.i It did nothing to the crooked moth) Though there will be places where he can't use his jars at all. Like if he was put in a cage and it was magic so his ghosty jar didn't work
31 Jan, 2017, 6:29 am
I feel that since I already have yellow for a splash attack I don't really need any more jars for combat. Hmmm :L
31 Jan, 2017, 6:31 am
Maybe I should discard one color for that reason.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:34 am
I also want to turn riptide into a human for haha because he hates them, and would make him more insane? Like he might consider to take his own life though idk. Your right I do have to pick and choose, -he can't have everything
31 Jan, 2017, 6:35 am
Maybe I should just draw him as a human and not consider it cannon? Eh lollol
31 Jan, 2017, 6:36 am
Yeah, I get that. And you know, if somebody is breaking the rules by being OP, and they don't stop when you tell them, then you have all right to go OP back at them. XD
If you think that's best then alright.
Also, I hate to say it, but it's really late here and I gotta get up early, so I need to leave now. I won't be back until the evening, but I'll read up whatever I miss here once I return.
31 Jan, 2017, 6:37 am
If you don't want to risk being OP in the roleplay, then making his human form non-canon would be best. I'm very curious to see what he'll look like. XD
31 Jan, 2017, 6:38 am
Ok see ya around 6:00pm ET
31 Jan, 2017, 6:39 am
Alright! Thanks for listening to my advice!
31 Jan, 2017, 6:41 am
Gonna put this out here for tomorrow but I'm probably only gonna use two or three jars to make him less op
31 Jan, 2017, 6:42 am
Must NEEEEERRRRFF
31 Jan, 2017, 10:46 pm
Hoi I'm here a little early but that's fine
31 Jan, 2017, 11:44 pm
Hi! I'm not home yet (I'm on my sister's phone), so I'll probably disappear soon but then be back half an hour later. Should we contact Day once more to make sure she remembers to come?
31 Jan, 2017, 11:50 pm
Yep, yep
31 Jan, 2017, 11:51 pm
I'm also working on finishing that collab
31 Jan, 2017, 11:51 pm
Dreamcatcher was bugging me so I drew his dreamer form instead :/
01 Feb, 2017, 12:13 am
Hi!
01 Feb, 2017, 12:17 am
Hoi day!
01 Feb, 2017, 12:17 am
I think I might be done with the collab tonight :D
01 Feb, 2017, 12:18 am
It's not perfect but I try.:0
01 Feb, 2017, 12:35 am
just finished Eira only 6 more! :)
01 Feb, 2017, 12:36 am
Oh and @Fade if you don't like the way your chara looksI promised I'll make it up to you some how. :O
01 Feb, 2017, 12:56 am
guys?
01 Feb, 2017, 1:11 am
Sorry, girl issues. im back...
01 Feb, 2017, 1:17 am
Oh let me guess
01 Feb, 2017, 1:17 am
Your cycle?
If you need any help we can talk about it:3
01 Feb, 2017, 1:19 am
My sisters just got theirs so I have to help them as well XD
O.o
01 Feb, 2017, 1:30 am
Anddd I'm alone :/
01 Feb, 2017, 1:30 am
lol its okay. something not normal going on with it... in2hours it was as much 10 hours would take... im really scared :'0
01 Feb, 2017, 1:34 am
Well you may be scared and I may not have a disorder but I did have to deal with very bad cramps
01 Feb, 2017, 1:35 am
Every time it started I would be in immense pain (My older sister has it worse)
01 Feb, 2017, 1:35 am
But I don't think of it as a problem any more
01 Feb, 2017, 1:38 am
I think of it as a gift from God. Some girls don't even have one, and that means they can't have their own kids! :l
01 Feb, 2017, 1:38 am
Well, it is a lot with a little or no cramps...
01 Feb, 2017, 1:38 am
True.
01 Feb, 2017, 1:39 am
Very true
01 Feb, 2017, 1:40 am
I say to myself every time it happens, yes it's miserable, yes I could live without it, I either let it effect my life or I don't. Why would I let it keep me from having fun?
01 Feb, 2017, 1:43 am
True, but with the coughing going on... I "leak" every time i cough -_- its mainly annoying and disgusting.
01 Feb, 2017, 1:44 am
I feel like even though we bare this burden, God will help us get through it. :D
It's a test, besides you'll stop having them when you're old enough. :0
01 Feb, 2017, 1:45 am
Yeah I hate it when I just start leaking, -it's the same for mucus too. :>
01 Feb, 2017, 1:46 am
But if it makes you feel better I'm almost done with the collab :D
01 Feb, 2017, 1:47 am
Also we girls are special because we get to have these really actually extraordinary experiences. :)
01 Feb, 2017, 1:48 am
Very true. Just explaining how annoying it is, makes me feel a bit better. So, how did you come up with RipTide's species? Was it Zanerak? I forget.
01 Feb, 2017, 1:49 am
It came naturally
01 Feb, 2017, 1:50 am
I was doing math one day and then I doodled a little and that's how they were created. :]
I think I still have the drawing somewhere :O
01 Feb, 2017, 1:50 am
okay
01 Feb, 2017, 1:53 am
They are very cool :3
01 Feb, 2017, 1:53 am
So what do you think Riptide's bottles should do?
01 Feb, 2017, 1:54 am
Aw thanks they're one of my favorite creations ^w^
01 Feb, 2017, 2:00 am
Make things slowly deteriate? idk xD
01 Feb, 2017, 2:01 am
My favorite creation has to be #ZeranaSF's and Day the #SunFury x3
01 Feb, 2017, 2:02 am
Yeah I think those are your best to :D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:03 am
Almost done eeeee ^o^
01 Feb, 2017, 2:05 am
Done. with. what? 0w0
01 Feb, 2017, 2:08 am
The collab! It's finished! I'm uploading it now :O
01 Feb, 2017, 2:10 am
oh yeh :D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:22 am
Hi! :D Sorry for disappearing, I didn't think I'd get stuck for so long. xP
01 Feb, 2017, 2:26 am
@Day Glad you like it ^w6
Oh hi @Fade I just finished the collab! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:28 am
Back to more important things
01 Feb, 2017, 2:30 am
Hey @Fade! How ya doing?
01 Feb, 2017, 2:30 am
@Day yup :)
01 Feb, 2017, 2:31 am
epic ponytail fail XD
01 Feb, 2017, 2:32 am
lol nah it looks good :3
01 Feb, 2017, 2:34 am
I actually have a shirt like that, but the colors are kind of off.
01 Feb, 2017, 2:35 am
@Alk: I see it! You did awesome! And you look super cute too. ^w^
And hi @Day! I've been pretty good, albeit tired. ^v^
01 Feb, 2017, 2:37 am
@Fade Omg I'm so glad you all like it! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:40 am
Ok so Fade?
01 Feb, 2017, 2:40 am
And Day
01 Feb, 2017, 2:41 am
Ooh, that's awesome! I've never looked good in plaid/flannel. xP
01 Feb, 2017, 2:44 am
Sorry if my replies are slow, I'm trying to get a drawing done plus I'm super tired. TvT
01 Feb, 2017, 2:46 am
Yes?
01 Feb, 2017, 2:46 am
I love plaid OwO
It's one of my favorite shirts! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:47 am
Alright so I was originally gonna give riptide five bottles but I feel that will make him too op, so I bumped it down too three
01 Feb, 2017, 2:48 am
Alright then, that'd be good.
01 Feb, 2017, 2:48 am
Pfft my comment didn't even post. TuT
I think that'd be good!
01 Feb, 2017, 2:49 am
The blue one turn him into a ghost
The yellow produces mustard gas
And I'm think the last one should be like some sort of dust.?
01 Feb, 2017, 2:52 am
@Day I was telling Fade it'd be cool if Riptide had a human form but we both agreed it might be too op. So I'm thinking of drawing him a non-cannon human form?Would you like to see it?
01 Feb, 2017, 2:53 am
Oh it did, nvm. X'D
01 Feb, 2017, 2:54 am
Maybe the dust can be used for creating a mist that obscures an opponent's senses so that they can't smell or see him? I might have already proposed that idea, so sorry if I did
01 Feb, 2017, 2:56 am
Well I was thinking more for close combat like at the beginning of a fight he'll through it towards the opponent to cause a quick distraction?
01 Feb, 2017, 3:00 am
Ooh, maybe. That'd be cool.
01 Feb, 2017, 3:01 am
I'm gonna do some concept weapon designs as well
01 Feb, 2017, 3:04 am
Human forms are aloud, as long as they arent all assassin's creed op xD I hate that game btw. just making a point
01 Feb, 2017, 3:04 am
Shoot I can't find that blade I want to use
01 Feb, 2017, 3:07 am
Never play AC but it look's kind of cool. :P
01 Feb, 2017, 3:08 am
yeh
01 Feb, 2017, 3:09 am
I think what I'll do is make him a human form (because he hates them) And leave it up to another rp member if they want to turn him into one by using magic idk :/
01 Feb, 2017, 3:10 am
that is up to maroosimun to do xD
01 Feb, 2017, 3:10 am
My older brother has a play station but we don't have AC
01 Feb, 2017, 3:10 am
other members with that power isnt aloud becuase it's too op
01 Feb, 2017, 3:12 am
Lol it sounds like he would do something evil like that,. xD
It would drive Riptide insane to
01 Feb, 2017, 3:13 am
Found the blade I want for him! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 3:20 am
awseome!
01 Feb, 2017, 3:21 am
yeh, the thing is, he has to be near riptide always or his powers will just stop. all his damage stops once he leaves. so poor riptide indeed XD
01 Feb, 2017, 3:24 am
O.o so hehas to be near Riptide in order for him to be human? I got that right?
Btw the sword I want to use is called the khopesh
01 Feb, 2017, 3:27 am
Wait no wrong one it's called the shotel XD
01 Feb, 2017, 3:29 am
Where did @Fade go?
01 Feb, 2017, 3:37 am
no clue
01 Feb, 2017, 3:37 am
but yeh he has to be near xD
01 Feb, 2017, 3:42 am
:O
01 Feb, 2017, 3:44 am
What do you think @Day, do you like the shotel?
01 Feb, 2017, 3:50 am
Yeh, i'd say so! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 3:53 am
K thanks! :)
01 Feb, 2017, 3:58 am
OK I think I'm gonna go now thanks for chatting, see some other time!
01 Feb, 2017, 4:00 am
gn! :D
01 Feb, 2017, 4:20 am
okay bye
01 Feb, 2017, 3:13 pm
Sorry for disappearing last night, I was so tired and couldn't think straight. xP
07 Mar, 2020, 4:38 am
What the hell is all this???
I remember it, but-