Its stuff like that that made me glad I didn't play WOW for long (mainly because of the combat. The whole "auto attack" thing didn't sit well with me.)

i play alliance :v my only horde are a fifty seven rouge and like a fourteen druid my main is a one hundred hunter and a ninety one dk (yes i play the most hard(easy) classes hue de hue'

I have a level 93(soon to be maxed druid) a level 100 hunter

All horde based

@oatmeal I can't stand,how the dk,play. Hunters and druids are my favorite classes, I like mages as well and priests are,fun (i don't run those classes anymore I just play hunter and druid) are,you feral or tank in your druid? I'm mainly a tank. But for,pvp,i do,feral

Well tbh, it goes both ways. I can call Orcs, savage and brutal beasts.

Because a lot of them can be, but look at Durotan and Thrall, (and others,) they are not.

So you cannot pin this on the Alliance and call us the bad guys,

Both factions have their evils, it's just that the Alliance is more noble and sophisticated than Horde, but I agree that the Horde isn't bad, but you can't say Alliance is, because then you're just doing the same thing :/

It's like saying another country is all bad, yet there are some good people there.

Also Varian sent more troops to Pandaria to look for his son, too, don't forget that.

And in all honesty, I just don't like the Horde because I mainly don't like the races, except Tauren and Blood Elf, and because they tend to be more savage, but that doesn't make them all bad.

I serve King Varian Wrynn and I am loyal to him 'till the end.

I have one horde character level 50, but I am even thinking of deleting it. (It's a Pandaren, I lie them too.)

*like

Anyway, both factions have evil within them, so really don't say the Alliance is more bad, because you're being just like the people who say that about Horde.

Most people say that only because its the opposing faction; the enemy, but they really don't know lore.

I do, and I don't agree that Horde is all bad.

Garrosh and Sylvannas are and were definetly evil.

And I know Varian isn't evil.

He just wants what's best for his people, as does Vol'Jin, but Garrosh was just...corrupt and angry.

But yeah, honestly, if you look at the facts, the Horde is far more corrupt.

Sorry but, I just can't see how the Alliance can be titled "The Evil Faction," over the Horde, again, not that it's all bad, but I'm pretty sure the Horde is far more corrupt.

But also look at what the Alliance did to Thrall and the other orcs. One of the dungeons in Caverns of time explains it if you pay attention. When Thrall was a baby the Alliance took him in, as he grew up he was later imprisoned by them as well as various other orcs. Thrall went to escape, after being locked in tge basement of a castle for a long while and the Alliance threw a coniption fit over it and tried to kill him. He made his escape to Org and was later their leader. And then passed the lead to He.llscream(big mistake) he went coocoo after discovering the pandas treasure he was overthrown and he opened the dark portal. Im not putting all blame on The Alliance, but the alliance is honestly more corrupted than the Horde. if i remember right The alliance were the ones that burned Org to ashes. We never burned your cities or imprisoned your kind. We worked with them. Yes we dont see eye to eye 100Percent, but we never enslaved and harmed our own races in our faction.

Arthis also picked up a demon weapon to be powerful and strong, he later went coo coo and became corrupted. aswell as Illidan who was a Nightelf and got ahold of fel magic later became a demon himself.

also the Alliance poisoned the Scurge (caverns of times dungeon) Force turned them and killed them.

And sophistocated how? the alliance is greedy and power hungery,

But have you seen the slums in Orgrimmar? And if you're a different race, and talk to the Orc guards, they will comment on how you make them sick? That's not treating the races very equally.
Also, Arthas was corrupted before he picked up Frostmourne. He was corrupted from the moment he decided to cull Strathholme. And Ner'zhul (a corrupt and evil Orc,) also corrupted him further.

If you take a look at Gul'Dan, and the Iron Horde, they are FAR more corrupt that anything.

Have you walked through the streets of Stormwind? It's a sophisticated city.
Also I was talking about leaders being corrupted, because that's what corrupts the faction.

Illidan was not a leader, and Arthas, well he ki,lled his father, but he left to become a Death Knight, so he was not an active leader.

Also Blackmoore, (who took Thrall in,) was a heavy drinker, so of course he had issues.

But I understand why the Alliance would imprison Orcs after the 2nd war.

The Orcs had pillaged Stormwind and the surrounding areas, destroying everything.

The Alliance was just a baby then. Newly formed.

But look at all the old Warcheifs from Draenor they were really bad.

Gul'dan also swore allegiance to Doomhammer and created the first death knights in the service of the Warcheif

that was the beginning of the Horde...

So-called Horde

I apologize for saying the Horde was more corrupt.

BOTH factions have corruption, this is true.

But the fact still stands that they are both just dominant factions in a world, and don't agree with eachother.

You were stating that the horde was far more corrupt than the horde and if you ever played all on the with an faction (i couldn't stomach how they treat the worgens so I went back to horde) they are not all that great. And we are talking about the faction as a whole. Not just the leaders, because looking deep lore wise if you know the history of the undercity that use to be so alliance cartel up top u til the leader of the palidans decided to,kill everone there and burn the place down. Also palidans could only be played on the alliance,side and that was a human class...but yes the horde who dosent kill their own people by poisoning tha,kforcefully is the bag guy. If you learned all the lore from,his side's you can see that the alliance has,done,most of the stuff that were to,provoke the horde causing greif and issues almost Kalmidor the eastern kingdom's northrens pandaria outlands and drenoe...and if I recall correctly.. The lichking was origionally a human as well as his replacement (who is,more,than likely going to,store up trouble,soon ) but yea the horde is so evil even,though we saved the pandarians,you all enslaved as 'volunteers" but that was ok I guess

And if you look at the taurens, when they first came,about. They were extremely peaceful,pappa last thing they ever wanted was war. But that makes them I guess...

And being a heavy drinker does not give excuse to what he did to thrall and the others. Your faction has the basic look on thi,'s like that as being ok as society does on what is happening irl... If you havent caught on.and the horde is what society could be. Yea we don't say kind words but honestly look at all the horde does for its surroundings. The Alliance has its perks. I will say that but not exactly what the horde has. There is kore,lore of the alliance doing messed up stuff than the horde all the horde does is to behind ourselves are,you to fix things

Wait wait whoa whoa.

How do you think the Worgen were treated badly, may I ask?

And how did the Alliance enslave the Pandaren? We helped save them and their "Wandering Isle." Don't forget it was the Horde that nearly ki,lled him, and Garrosh who corrupted their land with the Sha.

And also, Blackmoore was a drunk and had issues, clearly. Only a mean-spirited or a person with psychological issues would beat someone like that. Sadly... Thrall and his father are the only Orcs I like.

Also, don't forget what Sylvanas (a Horde leader,) did to the people of Gilneas :u

I can't side with Undead after that.

And Ner'Zhul (an Orc,) was the Lich King, the spirit in the helmet.

Bolvar (the other human,) who put on the crown, took on the burden of becoming the Lich King. That does not mean he was evil, hell, even Tirion was going to, because there must always be a Lich King, but Bolvar did it because he was already being consumed by the Dragon's Flame...

There we go again, some Orcs are evil

Ner'zhul is the spirit of the Lich King.

The Alliance was not even fully formed around the time of the events you're talking about :u

Why would people even think the Horde is more evil than the Alliance, if not for all of the lore that proves it?

I have never seen or heard a single person claim the Alliance is more evil, even in WoW, when you're choosing a Faction as a Pandaren, read the descriptions, those are truth.

The Lore has been altered, especially in recent times, to get people to the Horde to appeal more to people, but originally, Orcs/the Horde was the bad faction.

I'm sorry, I don't intend to be rude, but I don't agree at all.

The Horde is more corrupt, /especially/ the leaders.

But I'm just most curious about how and where you got the ideas that Worgens are treated badly?

And /what?/ We didn't influence anything on Dreanor or Pandaria, that was all Garrosh, the Horde.

The Horde wouldn't even exist on Kalimdor in the first place if it weren't for Gul'dan and the Burning Legion.

I'm really sorry, but what you're writing is a bit confusing.