anyone who is part of both religions can join.

^ XD let's wait for more people.

I'll take the role of the agnostic!

@LucasD : From a protestant's stand point, a priest is an educated man who teaches religion to others. If any man could become a priest with enough determination, what would be the point of speaking to god through a priest?

well,when protestants like me pray,we don't need a priest to help us pray,we pray directly to god,for example:some protestants pray alone so it will be just him and god together.

^ yeah

But of course, who knows? Perhaps talking through an enlightened man IS the best way to talk to God.

the bible has a verse that says we should pray alone,therefore i don't need someone to talk for me.

i have to eat dinner now,go ahead and keep talking.

talk talk talk talk talk

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^ O_o okay?

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lawl, besties w/God! We're playing super mario this weekend!

do you beleive in pergatory? (catholic thing)

It's an interesting subject.
'Tis all. Plus I use complex grammatical intuition to write these interesting little points.

One thing I don't comprehend: Mormons.

Purgatory is a Roman Catholic invention and goes against the full payment for our sins by Jesus Christ on the cross.

So saying 'I m.urdered 10 people and enjoyed it', is the same as going over little things?
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Lucas, the Bible says nothing about purgatory - and 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 teaches that if we are "absent from the body" we are "present with the Lord" - not in some holding cell. Also, there is no God given authority to popes, but the Holy Spirit works in all believers to show Jesus Christ to the world.

actually lucasD,god did die for all of us! :D he's more merciful then you think,everyone has a place in heaven,we can't get to heaven based on the good deeds we've done in our lives (even though god approves of that) we go to heaven based on wether we believe that jesus died for our sins and if we repent or not.

@Fruitloop8OO : To be honest I don't believe it because I don't see any physical proof. It's ludicrous, in my eyes, unless someone prooves it. :/
No one can tell me the bible is proof for, again, in my eyes, could have been written by anyone, not to mention there has been translation and alteration over the past 2OOO years. It's a belief, and I respect people's choice to believe. :l

JomasterII is doing fine. I'm subbed to his youtube :P

I'm agnostic actually.
Prove it, I'll believe it.

e-e Plus the bible unfortunately reconizes s!avery as a normal thing. Regardless of the time period, hasn't God made everyone on the earth equal?
Discrimination too; it doesn't exactly approve of h0mos.exual acts.

actually jelapeno,archeologists have discovered some physical proof,for example:people have discovered the shroud that jesus was wrapped in after he was crucified.and archeologists have discovered ancient egyptian chariots in the sea that moses crossed with the hebrews,and the egyptians had drowned in the sea.

Why couldn't other religions be correct? There's just as much a chance-- for instance, Buddhism is more or less philosophy and human nature; independantly producted psychological behaviour. For Hinduism, they have Vedas, some of the oldest living scrpitures around, little to no alteration.

It was POSSIBLE that it was Jesus' shroud, assuming he did exsist, which he likely did. Not everything found from that era has to do with something directly out of the bible :/

And then there's Darwinsm, not a religion, but a belief. The majority of christians I am accquainted believe this to be a reasonable, theory, as with the big bang theory. They still believe god made everything. The bible teaches great lessons, and I believe alot of it IS open to interpretarion. One cannot say another may misinterpret it, because, to put it simple, the bible is like a poem, or a phrase with a deeper meaning:

If one plays with fire, he gets burnt.

Whatever one makes of that phrase, they are interpreting it to their own like. You could take it as a safety tip, you could take it as if one messes around too much, they'll regret it. Maybe something else. Idk. Those are both examples of interpretations.

s'ok, just giving everything a say.

Jalapeno - giving everything a say? it sounds more like avoiding the issue: we all are sinners in need of rescue, and God has graciously offered rescue through His Messiah. Many argue against this because they want to live as they please and not be accountable to a higher calling - to a holy God.

you're right isaiah! many people don't wanna believe in god because they don't want to follow any rules! they wanna do whatever the heck they want in life.

^ god wouldn't be so cruel as to force us to spend years in purgetory just because we didn't do enough good deeds,it's not about the good deeds we do here on earth.now,don't get me wrong,god does approve of us when we do rightious things,but all we need to do to get to heaven is repent for our sins and believe that jesus died for our sins(now,since catholics believe that jesus died for our sins and know that we must repent,you'll go to heaven either way)but those are just some things that i don't agree with,you're welcome to stay a catholic,but just think about it:would god be as cruel as to force us to stay in purgatory just because we didn't do enough good deeds?

There is an excellent radio program named "Let's Talk About Jesus" that is available at LovingGrace.org The host loves all in Christ - Catholic or Protestant - and counsels against division. Today's programs 2nd caller led to a beautiful call to unite in Christ Jesus.

whoops! sorry for misunderstanding you lacasD.but still,the bible doesn't mention anything about purgatory.therefore,i don't believe it exists.

@isaiah
that sounds intresting! i'll have to tell my parents about that!

also lucasD,you said that if we have sin leftover we'll end up in purgatory.well,that means we'll most surely end up in purgatory because we'll sin no matter what we do,we're so deep in sin that nothing would keep us from going to purgatory.

another thing:you said the priest is like a shepeard.well,that's not true! jesus is our shepeard! not the priest.

and yet another thing! you said it's easier to confess to someone you see rather than not see.but jesus is omnipresent,he's everywhere at once! we don't need to confess to a priest if jesus is everywhere,we can confess directly to him! i always feel good knowing that the lord who created me accepts my apologies without me having a priest do it for me.

I want to follow the rules. I find many rules in the bible great to follow. Even better, the declaration of human rights.
I am not avoiding the subject of
'sinning', I don't believe in god therefore I have no reason to mention it. However, if one is misconductive, there is this place called prison. You can't get through life doing horrible things.

^ true,true,but i didn't say every non believer's reason to avoid theism was because they don't wanna believe in god,but some do.

(That was more or less directed to Isaiah so's comment right after my last. :P )

^ (oh! XD)

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Without God, who gets to decide what is misconduct? Who decides what is horrible? Why would anything be considered horrible if survival of the f.ittest is your belief?

^ agreed!

GOD IS HEALER IM A CHRISTAN AND SRY BOUT MY language but jerks that blieve other than the bible are wrong GOD IS GRACEFULL

^Non-belivers aren't all jerks! Many of them are great people. But without God, non of that matters...

Oh, whoops. This is Fruitloop800. xD

Anyway, I notice no one responded to your comment about h0mos3xuality, Jalapeno, so I will...

God made woman for man, not man for man. Sin entered the world, and everything got twisted. Peoples minds... I personaly dissagree with h0mos3xuality, but there are quite a few Christians who don't...

^ Thanks for responding to that comment, Fruitloop. He may have made woman for man, and if you're refering to Adam and Eve, which I believe you are, well then obviously if humanity had any hope of reproducing, the first to people had to be of different genders. Anyways the bible only disagrees with having s.exual relationships with the same gender. Nothing that says they cannot love each other. Either way, I don't see how h0mos.exuality negatively effects anyone. There's not really a reason I can see to be against it, but I respect your opinion.

@Isaiah So: I never mentioned survival of the f!ttest. I don't have a clue WHAT you're deriving from my comments, but anyways, the charter of human rights and freedoms is basically this: treat others the way you would like to be treated. Every is equal, their gender, age, race, beliefs and s.exuality don't matter. As for normal laws and bi-laws, which vary from area to area, those are for the SAFETY and WELL BEING of a population as well. Many general laws are actually similar if not the same to the bible's.

And as long as I'm talking about the bible, laws, and h0mos.exuality; I don't understand why some American states still have h0mos.exual marriage illegal. How does it negatively effect anyone? Not related to anything, Obama care is a great thing, trust me. People are going on about higher taxes. Well, americans would still be paying less in general than canadians for other things.
Advil in america: 6 dollars
Advil in Canada: 18 dollars

Now we need a law debate room, an Obama care debate room, and a debate room debate room! XD

Jalapeno - you brought up Darwinism, that was my reference. All God's laws are good - and are to bring peace and safety for all in the way that He designed. But those who want their own way are creating societal havoc that disintegrates creation. The declaration you refer to is trying to achieve goals without God. Never gonna happen.

Mankind has achieved many a goal without god, let me tell you now. People are independant as they are dependant, no matter what their belief. Simply because one has different views of life than another does not neccesarily mean their views are evil, nor for the worse.

Many of god's laws are wonderful, but a very select few I DO disprove of.

@jalepeno,god gave us the ability to achieve those things.

^ That's debatable.

do you know about how much our country is in debt because of obama? we're like in millions of dollars in debt right now! and he uses our money through tax's to pay for a million dollar vacations! obama is the worst ptesident ever!

^ You honestly think Obama takes VACATIONS?

^ of course he does! you haven't heard? look it up online! XD

the worst part is that he uses tax payers money to pay for his vacations,so we're the ones paying for his vacation!

^ iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii can't say i am.

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Why must this be a debate? I'm Catholic Christian and can answer all those questions you had, mr. ez, but what is the point if you have not an open heart and mind? Catholics and Protestants alike are brothers and sisters in Christ. We must be patient and listen to one another, and calling someone out spitefully and hastily can cloud the logic that may lie within the ridiculed truth. It is important to keep your mind open so that you may learn of the views of others, (no matter how nonsensical) and to extend your field of understanding, and your heart so that the truth may be uncovered in the process. If you can do that, the rest will become clear, and I shall respond to your queries. Once again, it is quite disappointing that these feuds occur. xc

don't argue about religon and just respect other people's beliefs