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At the beginning stages, an embryo isn't anymore alive than a skin cell. Several months into a pregnancy, the "life" is still just a cluster blood vessels and organic tissue, lacking a brain and internal organs. To call an early stage abortion a tragedy is akin to calling menstruation a tragedy. Even in late stages, there is ground to grant an abortion, especially if the pregnancy turns foul and causes harm to the expectant mother. In these cases, two lives are at risk, and forcing women to carry to term, regardless of circumstances, is in disregard for current human life. In the end, pro life is ultimately pro death, as anyone determined to terminate a pregnancy will do it through illegitimite means if a legal route is unavailable, and mothers who attempt to carry to term are at great risk of dying, themselves. I don't understand how any self respecting woman could possibly be pro life, it boggles the mind of any good thinkers.

@Basch, You are placing more importance on the life of the child than on that of the adult being forced to carry it. Carrying a child is mind-breakingly painful, and extremely unhealthy for the mother. Forcing a woman to carry a child completely alienates all rights she had before pregnancy, and no one NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON should be allowed to force anyone to do anything if they are law abiding citizens. I assert that a known quantity is worth far more than that of an unknown quantity. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. The life of the mother is absolutely, unequivocally more valuable than the life of an unborn child for the simple and undeniable fact that the mother is capable of sentient thought and fears for her own life.

I applaud this picture, knowing that I have found another person willing to speak out against abortion, and portraying the beauty of the Lord's hand. Have yourself a like.

Well, I don´t have a clear opinion about abortion.
If a woman aborts an unborn child, it´s her fault and nobody elses. She must live with the mental pain.
Otherwise, if abortion will be illegal, then woman will abort themselves. As long as nobody knows about her pregnacy, she can do it.
I don´t know when a baby is "alive". For me, it is when the unborn child has every organ and can live "outside". But this is my definition, not others.

Why do you compare animals with humans?
Abortion is more than "killing an unborn child". It´s mental pain. And it can be solution. What do I know... 13 year old girl, who was raped. Yeah, and then everybody goes "oh no, don´t abort!". But what with the girl? Nobody cares. Can she love this child? Can she even handle this? Why giving a child a really bad childhood when you can prevent it.

Carrying a pregnancy to term is not some magical process of getting pregnant and just waiting for the end result. Women get sick, really sick, sick enough to wish to be dead. When a woman miscarries, it doesn't just all come out and everything hunky-dory, often times, something stays behind or nothing comes out at all, and then the pile of dead cells rots inside the womb, causing sepsis, cysts, or cancer. The womb often ends up so weak that even if it is capable of initiating a pregnancy, it likely cannot sustain it, causing extremely negative emotions. Common problems are post traumatic stress disorder, separation anxiety, depression and suicidal tendencies.
It's not so simple as using contraceptives until a pregnancy is wanted, either. It is uncommon for health plans to cover such things, and there is no financially viable option for working class people, those who are most susceptible to unwanted pregnancies. Condoms are not cheap and are not 100% effective, birth control on the woman's side is even more expensive and often restricted or banned. Looks pretty grim for any woman who wants a future where they are more than a baby factory.

"Don´t do the act".Yeah, right. ehem. People have se.x because they enjoy it. If a condom or other things went wrong by chance, it´s horrible for the two people. The child is not wanted.

I suppose you weren't paying attention earlier this year when that woman in Ireland had her pregnancy turn south on her. Despite her own religion allowing for an abortion, the law stated that she could not get one, even if her death was imminent. They had to wait for the child to die inside of her before they could extract it. This proved to be too little, too late, and she died on the operating table. PREGNANCY KILLS WOMEN, it is just that simple. It is painful, and deathly sickening, it is cruel and unusual punishment to force that kind of pain on anyone. Denying legal abortion to women who seek it is another example men seeking to control women, and the worst part is there are women who've bought into it! Prohibiting abortion outright will kill more people than it could possibly ever save.
If you insist that people aren't animals, stop treating women like cattle. They aren't there to make babies for you.

No, life means a lot to me. But love and a good childhood is also important for the child.

Oh, please spare me the nice guy talk. The man does not deserve a say. The man does not SPEND NINE MONTHS IN TOTAL AGONY to bear the child. The mother gets the choice because the mother is the one that has to bear the weight. No one can take some of the pain off, no one can else can bear the child but the mother. Abortion is no more slaughter than eating an egg.
What you seem to be having trouble with is that we don't give human rights to flesh. We give human rights to sentience. Sentient minds are priority, an unborn child is not sentient any more than an ant. They are just a collection of if/then statements. No hopes, no fears, no dreams. Just flesh. The child should not have rights until it is actually born and starts to process information.

Ooh, I was hoping you'd start trying to insult me, fortunately for you (and me) I am unfazed.
The Breakdown:
I am selfish, very much so, I will not deny. I am not a lunatic however, as is evidenced by our interaction, I am maintaining a level head (and not using expletives, unlike yourself). As for disregard of human life, I have been making the case that I hold sentient life in high regard, that is to say, I support the mothers over unborn children. As someone a man who works for a living, pays taxes, and maintains his own health, I can say with 100% certainty that I am an adult. The instance I mentioned was specific, yes, but not the only one of it's kind. Do some research (I suppose that means you'll have to act like an adult with a non-objective viewpoint) you'll find others like her, and hopefully, you'll change your mind.
I did not say it has to be sentient to be alive, I said it has to be sentient to be granted human rights, it has to have a personality, it has to be capable of fear to have rights. Unborn children are incapable of any emotion at all aside from vague ones such as agitation or complacency. The mothers of unborn children, are however capable of valuing and fearing for their own lives, and that is the distinction. We should not feel any worse for aborting a fetus than we do for chopping down a tree. It simply does not feel or fear or think. On the subject of mental illness and underdeveloped brains, these people still fall within my distinction of thoughtful and fearful. Perhaps these thoughts are basic, and perhaps these fears are poorly managed, but they are there. You are clearly misinformed as to the nature of mentally challenged people, and it is showing in your ineptitude to validate your own point.
My own mother shares my view on this matter, perhaps not so strongly, but she'd rather support abortion than unwanted pregnancy. If my mother had aborted me, I would never have been any wiser, so why would it matter?

Science says that each of our cells are alive. And humans start off as a single cell, so that means they are alive.
If someone does not want a child, don't have se.x, or give birth and set it up for adoption.
And if the mother were to die for the child, think of it like this, the woman has already lived half her life, the child has not even seen the outside world yet.
And for 13 year old girls getting rap.ed? The docter cuts open the stomach, takes the baby out, stitches the stomach, and they set it up for adoption, I know it sounds painfull but, atleast no one dies.
How would YOU feel if your mother aborted you?
The children aborted could have grown up and save mankind but NNNOOOO, you simply throw it away as if it's an empty Taco Bell wrapper.
Think about it.

Also, during abortion you can hear the baby scream.
Do you think the mur.der of a 2 year old child is ok? Probally not. Mur.dering a 2 year old child is the same as an abortion.

If everyone had abortions, then the population would decrease till humankind is extinct.

Basch, as far as I am aware, I have maintained my position with a level coolness, while you have devolved into a screaming tantrum, going so far as to call me an idiot. You are however, wrong.
In case you were not paying attention, I have stated very clearly that I support mothers over unborn children. I keep that position and go further to state that this is the correct course of action. Fretting over the "could be's" and "maybe's" in the argument against abortion is a fallacy. There is no such thing as destiny, there is only what each of us as individuals strive to achieve, under our own power and with the help of those around us.
Coma (not spelled "comma") patients have a limited time from which they can make a recovery, after a certain point, the brain dies from lack of stimulation and their bodies are kept in motion solely through machine functions. I don't have exact data for you, but yes, coma patients should not be treated as alive after that threshold is crossed.
Fear is not a wholly illogical emotion, it is a real emotion that helps keep us from dangerous situations. Unborn do not have a concept of fear, it is beyond their ability to think about the future, they exist wholly in the now. If the mind were functioning in full effect at that point, we would still have memories of that time. Personally, I don't have any memories from before being about a year and a half old, and those memories are hazy, exact details unknown.
Wailing is an involuntary defense mechanism, especially in newborns. It is used to describe want for food, discomfort with bodily excretions, physical pain, etc. It is not used in fear until a child has a concept of death, something most children don't gain until 3 to 4 years old. I will state that it is wrong to kill a newborn on the basis that they are, by that time, processing information and learning how to be like the adults they were born from. What I'm getting at is that the mind is what's important. It is right to value a mind. Unborn children, do not know, they do not think, they do not learn, They are therefore, not a separate life unto themselves.
Unborn children are not any more human than my arm. They are no more than an extension of the mother's own body. Until they are born into this world, they hold no rights as humans.
For making a case for adoption and cesarean sections (C-section for short), you must also take into account political climate, economical health, location, and quite unfortunately, race. Firstly, forcing rape victims to carry to term, especially in young girls, takes an already tragic situation and turns it into an ongoing, and completely unforgettable travesty. It utterly destroys many women. Homicide/suicides are not uncommon.
Cesarean sections often leave permanent (and not visually aesthetic)scarring, and make the muscle lining weak, making the woman susceptible to hernias (no big deal, intestines are supposed to be visible from the outside, right?)
Adoptions are not a healthy option. Firstly, the most commonly adopted children, are white males, followed by white females, while the most commonly unwanted children are minorities. This creates a whole slew of people who are pushed through the foster care system. A system riddled with "caregivers" simply trying to gain a hold of government stipends, or worse, verbally, physically, and sexually abusive people. Most children who actually survive the foster care system often end up homeless and often become abusive themselves. Happy endings are extremely uncommon in the adoption centers and orphanages. Of course! I can't forget that many legally adopted children are forced to live with extremely abusive people too. How could I possibly?!
tldr; No such thing as too long didn't read, you go back and read this, word for word, you need to learn.

You need to learn that if abortion continues, humankind will become extinct.
Just because something can't think for themselves does not mean they're not alive, just look at trees!
Do you see unborn children as mere Taco Bell wrappers?
If you do, then you are a horrible person.

My god, abortion is just the most selfish and.... Evil thing ever!
Anyone who has abortions in my book are instantly worse than Hit.ler.
I know Hit.ler kil.led millions but, atleast he never kil.led his own kids.

Humans are not going to become extinct just because some people are having abortions. In truth, our population will stabilize instead of grow out of control (as it is certainly doing now, even with the abortions we do have).
Unborn children are total non-entities, they do not exist beyond the mother carrying them. What's horrible is telling a woman SHE MUST carry a child. Only when we can painlessly (and at no cost to the mother) remove a child from her womb and grow the child in incubation chambers can we officially ban abortions. Until such a time, banning abortion is baseline immoral, impractical, and unsafe to both the mother and their unwanted fetuses.

Actually, Hitler committed suicide, coaxing his wife to do the same, along with their dog.
Removing a single fetus from the womb is not the same as killing SIX MILLION PEOPLE. I dare you to find any single Jewish person and tell them Hitler wasn't as bad as a mother aborting a fetus. Please, do that.

What is worse, incredible pain or DEATH!
You my good sir, will burn in Hell

I'm an atheist, I am my only god, and I am the only judge my actions. You can take your own hell.

I will, Because Hit.ler actually gave his victims a few years to live.
A single fetus can save humankind.
According to your oppinion, everyone should always have abortions, resulting in mankind's extinction.
Your basically a hypocryte because you say abortion is ok but mur.der is not.

Too bad.
You THINK it won't happen but, it will.

SlenderHalo, abortion is not the same as murder. A single fetus can do nothing, it is a fetus.
There is no such thing as destiny, there is no point where the skies will open to bless a single child laying upon them the task of lifting us from our personal hells.
According to my opinion (fact) mothers should not be forced to carry a child, they should be allowed the option to not carry the child. This does not prevent any mother from having children, it keeps children from being born into families that don't want them or can't afford their upkeep.
What's worse, aborting a pregnancy, or a child going through life unloved and unwanted, ultimately becoming a drain on society, or even actively undermining the system altogether?

Actually, according to your own bible, (yes, I've read that dreadful thing too) I have just as much place in your heaven as you, all that I must do is regret any immoral activities. (That is to say, none so far).
According to Dante's Inferno, my place in hell is purgatory, a land of blue skies, green grass and mild temperature. Sounds pretty okay to me.

I'am sorry but, cells are alive yes? Because every scientist says so. And a human starts off as a single cell. Meaning they're alive. Meaning abortion is the equivalent as mur.der.

It is not murder, a fetus is very simply an extension of the mother's own body. It is not it's own entity, it is only alive so much as the mother is.

"It is not alive, it's only alive so much as the mother is"!?
You just said that it is not alive and after you said it IS alive! XD
You make me laugh with your unlogical reasoning.
Plus mothers aren't FORCED to carry a baby, they just don't have se.x.
If they get pregnet, it's their own fault.
And aborting a baby from rap.e is basically punishing the baby for what the rap.er did.

People with near death experience see what they wish to see, as the body floods itself with chemicals. They hallucinate. If it turns out I'm wrong, then I will truly be sorry. It shall never be said that I can't admit my own faults when I know them to be faults.
As it stands, I have called to be stricken dead by your god, and it has yet to happen. This could mean one of two things, your god thinks I'm right, or your god doesn't actually exist.
You've seen what you've been told to see, and your misguided thoughts caused you undue paranoia which manifested itself accordingly.

Think, then act, do not react.
The meaning of the statement "it is not so much alive as the mother is" is quite simply, the fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from her. She has every right to abort it, as it is quite simply, just a part of her.
Forcing a mother to carry a rape pregnancy to term is punishing the mother for the acts of the rapist. you take an already traumatized person and subject them to even more trauma, stress and pain. That, by the way, is torture.

You misunderstood and went on to misrepresent my argument, go back and read it again, think this time.
I'll wait.

And just so you have a direct quote, "You are willing to ki'll other humans for your idiotic ideals."
That is copied and pasted from your own argument, directed at me. If you're going to choose the wrong side of an argument, the least you can do is make sure you stick to what you say.

Sorry I went to work out for an hour.
Anyways, giving birth does hurt, alot. But my mother told me that once it was over, she was happy to see her children, abortion mur.ders a beutiful, young baby.
That baby could grow up and find other planets we could live on, and solve the "over population" crap.

Life begins where the mind begins, age, is not the same as race, and don't try to connect the two, it makes you look like an idiot (you don't need anymore help on that front, I assure you).
The point I'm making is that you'd rather sarcifice the mother, an actual, living breathing human, for the sake of an unborn child, an unknown quantity, an effective nothing. An unborn child is nothing until it is actually born, absolutely nothing.
If you've not taken from my arguments that I care about actual life, you've not been paying attention. I care for born children as much as I care for the mothers that bore them. I don't want unborn children dead, anymore than I want my skin cells to die. I simply do not, and cannot care about non-entities.
What you are pushing for is torture, you want to torture one person to make another live. This isn't just a life for a life, it's not that simple of a trade-off.
You've lost the battle kid, you're just too shortsighted to see it.

"The child is merely a part of the mother"?! You're scre.wed up, because that Umbilical cord just feeds the child. It's been proven that during abortions the baby screams in pain, not just instinct.
Yea sure, it hurts but, you're giving life to the world. You know what? Just go back in your mother's womb so she could abort you, that's what you support right?
Plus, scientists say that every cell is alive, so if a human starts as a cell, how is it not alive?
You're saying religion is wrong, you gonna say science is wrong to?

You've lost the battle, it's hardly ever a "life for life" situation. The mother lives and so does the baby. You're saying both science and religion are wrong, what's going on in that pea sized brain of your's?

Actually, there is this woman who gave birth to a baby with no eyes.
Yet, it's always happy and having fun, you call that a "horrible life"?
I would not like that but the baby does not have a problem with it.

I was wondering when the "kill yourself" arguments would come up. Too hard to think so much, eh SlenderHalo?
And again, you're still functioning under the fallacy that there is such a thing as destiny. I assure you, there is not.
Fetuses don't even have the necessary mechanisms to make sounds until the second trimester (I'll take this time to remind you that all chosen abortions are performed only during the first trimester, all other legal abortions are done only as a last resort to save the life of the mother and those don't always work out in the woman's favour).
Do you wake up every morning and mourn the loss of your skin cells that died over night? A single cell is not granted human rights just because it came from a human. I have continually argued (admirably, I might add) that until the mind begins to learn and think, and process information, it is not deserving of any right to live as a human. That is to say, as soon as it is born into the world, it is a new human life.
If my mother had aborted me, I wouldn't have cared, I could not have cared, I would not have had the ability. Now, however, I am a grown, human male, I care about my life and the lives of those around me. So, no thank you, I will not be un-birthing myself .
Religion is simply a placeholder for what we don't know. As our understanding of the world around us grows, the realm for religious thought weakens and diminishes. Science is not a belief system, it is a process by which we learn about existence. Science cannot be wrong, it can only not know that it doesn't know.

When YOU started off as single cell, you were still alive.
Meaning you just proved my point that babys in the womb are alive after saying "do you mourn over you skin cells dying"? Because for something to actually die, it has to be alive first.
Your argument is now invalid.

And the reason I told you to "get back into your mother's womb so she could abort you" Is because you support abortion.
I'am sure you would LOVE to be aborted.

I don't ACTUALLY want you dead.

When I started of as a single cell, I was not me. I had no concept of "me."
MY WHOLE ARGUMENT has been that nothing has a right to life until it is born, until the point that a human baby exits the womb and becomes a new life, it simply is not eligible for human rights. Until it is born it is effectively no more important than a skin cell.
Stating "your argument is invalid" without elaborating as to why is playground nonsense. You might as well be saying "I am rubber and you are glue, so nyah!"
And again, you missed the argument I made. My word, how does one so willingly misinterpret information as you do? How old are you, I can't believe you're any older than 12.

I did have a reason to saying "your argument is now invalid"
So you know that a baby is alive in the womb, yet you say it has no human rights till it's out of the womb.
So lets say a baby is born, out of the womb it now has human rights.
But, let's change the story, it's out of the womb a week later than before, it now has human rights.
Plus, dogs don't have HUMAN rights, but it still has the right to live yet a unborn baby does not.
Again, your argument is now invalid, just give up you lost.

You're forgetting to elaborate again. Try harder.

Does it matter, I said all that with PERFECT grammar.

Of course it matters, language is only the method by which we present our arguments, but it doesn't make our arguments for us. So yes, try harder, think more.

I don't know because I used perfect grammar and made my point clear.

Again Kylogram:

You make me laugh at your illogical reasons on how a baby does not have human rights untill it's born.

Mur.dering a baby the SECOND it's out of the womb is wrong.
But mur.dering a baby the SECOND before it's out of the womb is ok.

What kind of sick and twisted world do you live in right now?

I have never seen such willing ignorance except from creationists, or are you going to tell me that evolution isn't real?

It comes down to this, you either value life that has already been born or you value a life that has yet to exist, you can't have one without taking the other. It is torture of a living adult versus the "death" of a child that is not even a child yet.
There is no valid reason to support torture, not one.
And Basch, equating pro-choice to Nazism is a pretty big leap. Don't willingly jump to such stupidity.
When you guys have lived as adults, and gained higher mind functions (instead of pretending, as you are) we can continue this argument. For now, your logical fallacies do not but break your own arguments and make you look like morons. (yes, NOW I am insulting your intelligence)

Hypocrite* Diluted* Unresponsive*
Until my post previous to this one, I have remained baseline courteous even after you (very quickly) devolved into tantrum throwing and name calling. You have an endless inability to raise a valid point. You claim compassion but don't actually possess any.
If I am evil, you are worse for your spread of misinformation and even outright lies. I am your better and your elder, and you refuse to see it for your willing blindness.

And yet again, you don't have anything to say to my last comment and go back to "oh no! the woman endures such tor.ture"!
The baby endures more tor.ture than the woman during abortion.
You ADMITED that babys are alive in the womb yet mur.der still.
YOU'RE the moron here.
Age has NOTHING to do with intelligence.
NOTHING.
Even though I have proven multiple times that your argument is invalid, you keep going on and on about the mothers' tor.ture.
Just shut up, the mother has already lived half her life, the baby has not.
People like you deserve to rot in prison.
So yea, you lost the battle, I'am done arguing with your dimwitted mind.
Hope you learn from this experience.
Argue as much as you want, you're just making yourself look like a moron.
I'am done, if you keep arguing than that just proves I'am the bigger, smarter man.

Slender, I can't imagine you as anything other than mentally deficient at this point.
ADOPTION DOES NOT WORK. Giving a kid to an adoption agency basically guarantees them a life of physical and sexual abuse, petty thievery and drug use. YOU ARE THEN RUINING TWO LIVES UNDER THE GUISE OF SAVING ONE. It is more heinous to subject someone to torture than it is to abort a fetus. Quit being stupid and listen, do some research, LEARN THE FACTS. The world isn't rose colored.

Ahh Kylogram, proving my point once again, AND making yourself looking like a moron.
I said I was done arguing with you, now I'am arguing with Arty, who is MUCH more intelligent than you.
This will be the last you hear me talk to you, I'am done talking with your dim witted mind.
Have fun with your "Taco Bell wrappers"

Calling someone a moron because you can't win an argument does not win you the argument. Saying you're arguing with someone else, spreading the EXACT SAME MISINFORMATION is stupid.
I have told you that you are wrong, I have cited instances proving my point, and still you do not learn. You are actively ignoring information due to your prejudice and your "holier than thou" attitude only suits to make you look like an idiot.

Well I'am kinda "peacfully" arguing with you :P
I guess I kinda understand 13 year olds getting rap.ed.
But, I'am just saying they could set the baby up for adoption after it's born.
I think it's ALOT better than kil.ling it.

Slender, as I've said a number of times now, adoption is not a solution to abortion.
Adoption agencies don't just magically turn kids into functioning adults. Most kids are never adopted, forcing them to go through the foster care system. The foster care system is rife with sexual, verbal and physical abusers, hard drugs and thieves. You are taking abused mothers and going further to damning the children to a life of crime.
You are sick, evil and as stupid as they come.

Here's some more for you idiots. This is what happens when you criminalize not only abortions, but miscarriages.
•A woman in Utah gave birth to twins. When one was stillborn, she was arrested and charged with criminal homicide based on the claim that her decision to delay cesarean surgery was the cause of the stillbirth.
•After a hearing that lasted less than a day, a court issued an order requiring a critically-ill pregnant woman in Washington, D.C. to undergo cesarean surgery over her objections. Neither she nor her baby survived.
•A judge in Ohio kept a woman imprisoned to prevent her from having an abortion.
•A woman in Oregon who did not comply with a doctor’s recommendation to have additional testing for gestational diabetes was subjected to involuntary civil commitment. During her detention, the additional testing was never performed.
•A Louisiana woman was charged with murder and spent approximately a year in jail before her counsel was able to show that what was deemed a murder of a fetus or newborn was actually a miscarriage that resulted from medication given to her by a health care provider.
•In Texas, a pregnant woman who sometimes smoked marijuana to ease nausea and boost her appetite gave birth to healthy twins. She was arrested for delivery of a controlled substance to a minor.
•A doctor in Wisconsin had concerns about a woman’s plans to have her birth attended by a midwife. As a result, a civil court order of protective custody for the woman’s fetus was obtained. The order authorized the sheriff’s department to take the woman into custody, transport her to a hospital, and subject her to involuntary testing and medical treatment.

All of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
In the face of actual evidence you all shut up and close your eyes.
You're all like children, covering your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs to avoid being exposed to information you don't like.
You all make me sick.

I only support abortion when it's absolutely necessary, like when a woman doesn't want a child.

In all seriousness, if a woman wants an abortion, it's HER body, she does what she wants to it. It's not your body, and it sure isn't your fetus.

It's none of your concern. The unborn child cannot feel it, does not 'feel sad' or wonder why its mother did not want it. It is a bunch of cells. The baby becomes sentient long after the latest date you can get an abortion.

Honestly, it isn't "mur.der". mur.der is k.illing someone illegally. Abortions are legal, assuming you live in a place where it is.
Now, homicide is illeg.al legally. But abortion is far from that. Like I said, it's a sack of mush and cells. You can't k.ill something not living yet.
Anyways, I apologize for the rant, but it had to be said.
-Valkyria the Angry Femnist

Ahah. Typo. I meant homicide is k.illing that is legal. Which abortion is.
Reading some of the comments above, I'm a amazed. So now getting an abortion after being r.aped is punishing the baby? No. If the baby was born, it would have a terrible life with such a young mother. And for calling women that have s.ex s.luts, you're wrong. S.luts do not exist. A woman has the right to have s.ex whenever she wants as long as its consentual.Its natural.
-Valkyria the Angry Femnist

Valkyria, I don´t know who you are, but I love you for your comment.

Thank you Valkyria, couldn't have said it better.

I was an accident. If my mother believed in abortion I would not be here. But asa christian I do believe that ultimately god has control. I don't tell people what se><uality to be (i havenothing against h.omo><uality for the record) , how to live their lives etc. Sad that a person can't get their opinion out there w/out hate.

HitIer kiIIed his own parents, ho.mose.xuals, handicapped, Jews, and pretty much anyone that wasn't the same race as the Germans.
Don't compare them to HitIer.
Don't compare anyone to HitIer.
That's not ok.